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Random Thoughts and Observations from My Trip to Kiyv (Kiev)

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Random Thoughts and Observations from My Trip to Kiyv (Kiev)

(I have been meaning to get back and finish this blog since I put down these thoughts when I was going to and coming from Kiev in February. Finally after about six weeks while I am now in Guam I can find some time to get back to it.)

February 11, 2010

Dateline Munich:

It is 6:15 p.m. oops I mean 18:15. I am sitting in the Munich Airport waiting for my connection. Unlike the last time I was here in November, I have not lost my phone! (I ultimately got it back about two weeks after I got home, but that is another story.)

Yesterday was spent getting ready, packing and doing lots of last minute errands. The kind of thing that makes me feel like I am going a dozen different directions. A dangerous state of mind because, even if I make a list I often forget to put some small but important thing on it.

So it was last night. I had gotten up in the morning and packed most of the things that hadn’t been gathered up during the week. I made a run to the store to get a couple of last minute things and all was in order. We left the house at about 6:30 to get to SFO with about two hours to spare. Kay let me off at the curb and I checked in and headed for security. (I wasn’t charged for the extra suitcase like I was expecting, but my carry-on was weighed and was too heavy!) I had to remove my laptop and carry it separately—go figure. The weight is the same but the carry on has to be below the 12 kilo limit. But it was OK to carry on the laptop separately—same weight but 1 more carry on: my personal item.)

I got to security and cleared fine, but to my horror as I was putting things back together I discovered that I had forgotten a small plastic part that attaches to my CPAP (breathing machine for sleep apnea). I gave Kay a panicked call-she was only about half way home. I called home and Jonathan found the part right where I told him. He and Steph hopped in the car and made it over to SFO just as my flight started boarding. The TSA security officer went out to meet Steph, so I wouldn’t have to go out and clear security again. I got the part and rushed down to the gate. I was among the last ones that boarded.

The flight was long but uneventful. I cleared security found my gate and had about 1.5 hours to wait for my flight. First thing on the agenda—get a latte. Didn’t need a meal because we had been fed about 1½ hours before touchdown.

I board for Kiev in a few minutes.

Dateline Kiev:

The plane touched down on the snow and ice covered runway at about 22:15. The wind was blowing and there was light snow in the air. The airport is old—we were met far out on the tarmac and bussed to the terminal. It took about ½ hour to clear immigration, then off to get my luggage. I was near the last of the group to clear immigration so my suitcases were easy to find—only about 10 were left on the carosel .

I had been told that customs was easy in Kiev. Look confident and you can go right through. I was tired and trying to figure out which way was out, so I guess I didn’t look confident. As I was passing the customs agent I heard a “Sir!” “SIR!” “Would you come over here please.” After xraying the luggage I was asked to open two bags. “Do you have any gifts that you are bringing in?” (“No.”) “All this is for your personal use?” (“Yes.”) “All right, you may close your bags."

Out through the customs door and looking into the faces of dozens of people, knowing that one of them is supposed to recognize me. No one approaches me. I am accosted by several taxi drives wanting to give me a lift. “No, someone is supposed to meet me.” I start scanning the faces in the crowd, Jason Gupta, a faculty member whose father is from India and mother is American is supposed to be there. No one in the crowd who seems to match that ethnic mix. I wait, beginning to get a little anxious. Then I hear “Jim?” I turn to my right and see a big Indian-American guy who could pass for a Latino. “Sorry I am late, the roads are slippery and the parking is really bad.”

We made our way out to the car through the 4 inches of fresh snow on the ground and drove about ½ hour to Kyiv Theological Seminary (Kyiv is the Ukrainian spelling—Kiev is the Russian spelling). Jason & I hit it off right away—we were already talking theology on the ride to the seminary.

We took my luggage into the building, got the key to my room and dropped the stuff. Then Jason took me on a quick tour of the facility. By the time we finished it was about 1:30. I have no idea about how many hours it has been since I got up on Thursday morning in the Bay Area. All I knew was that it was early Saturday morning and I was exhausted, but couldn’t get to sleep!

Monday Feb 15:

After a weekend of trying to reset my body clock (it is 10 time zones from California, so I literally didn’t know if it was day or night) my class began on Monday afternoon Feb 8—4 hours for six days, off Sunday, and then on again from Monday through Thursday this week.

My translator André is a youngish looking 40 year old graduate of KTS who is finishing an MA from Talbot Graduate School of Theology (Talbot has an extension campus here at KTS so he doesn’t have to travel to California to do his work). He grew up in a Christian home and when he turned 18 was drafted into the Soviet Army. He did a two year stint in Turkmenistan (where Russia’s nuclear and space program are located). Because he was known to be a Christian he was assigned to the worst post in the whole Soviet Union. It was a very lawless area where the Soviets posted their criminals, and undesirables. The idea was to break them psychologically. But today André, like Joseph in Genesis says they meant it for evil but the Lord meant it for good. He learned to be a man and stand by his conviction in harsh circumstances. He is the best translator that I have had the pleasure of working with. As a seminary grad he is familiar with the material, but doesn’t try to take over and teach the class through his translation.

Monday Feb 22

We are 70% through the class time, but only about 50% through the material: I am faced with a dilemma—what can I cut? Most people think of history as boring: names and dates, but if you tell stories about the individuals it captures the heats as well as the minds of the students. The down side is it takes a lot longer to communicate. I was chatting with two of my students this evening after class (most of the class has at least a conversational knowledge of English; a couple can even read some English. I can tell who knows English by whether they get the jokes! They are the ones who understand before André figures out how to communicate the joke cross-culturally. That is gratifying and makes communication much easier than my experiences in Bulgaria.

The down side of the experience is that it is cold and snowy. I grew up as a child in north western Maine and the weather here is much worse than I remember it as a kid in Maine. It has been overcast, foggy and with snow or sleet most of the time I have been here.

Yesterday I went to historic downtown Kiev to see some of the Cathedrals—Hagia Sophia (its namesake is the magnificent Hagia Sofia in Istanbul) is nearly 1000 years old . It was completed c.1037 after 20 years of construction and although it is nowhere near as large as Hagia Sophia in Istanbul—After a thousand years it is still magnificent. (and it is now a museum) I also had the opportunity to visit two other magnificent Orthodox cathedrals just a few blocks away from Hagia Sophia both of these are active churches.

I have often said that if you want to travel in time all you need to do is to attend an Orthodox service. The liturgy will most probably be that penned by John Chrysostom (Patriarch of Constantinople as well as being the greatest preacher of the ancient church) in about A.D. 400. Add to this incense, the haunting but powerful music, the magnificent artwork—often gilt tinged, and the icons of the saints (reminders of the historic heroes of the faith as well as being visual representations of the Orthodox concept that the living church as well as those who have died and passed into the presence of Christ participate together in worship) and you approach sensory overload.

This is a far cry from our Protestant form of worship. We want to focus on the spiritual as opposed to the material. The Orthodox insist that the spiritual is known through the material (particularly that which is beautiful and pleasing to the senses) rather than apart from it—and they point to the reality of the physical incarnation when the eternal second person of the trinity joined himself eternally to humanity as proof of this contention.

All that is to say the experience is magnificent, although I reject the underlying sacramentalism inherent in the system as well as the formalism that it can and often does breed—a formalism that takes refuge in the rite of the sacraments rather than actively cultivating a personal relationship with the our Trinitarian God.

With reference to the Ukranian Protestants: our brothers and sisters are a small and poor group. They suffered greatly under 70 years of Soviet oppression. They persevered, but the very qualities that they had to develop to survive hinder their growth now. (Like growing up in a dysfunctional family you learn skills that allow you to survive, but when you reach adulthood those survival skills can undercut your ability to function as a healthy mature adult.) To our eyes the Ukrainian Protestant church is small narrow and very legalistic. As Jason and I talked about this he explained to me that during the Soviet era the church had to be constantly on its guard against government infiltrators. These infiltrators learned all the language, “Praise the Lord, Brother!” but when they went out and around the corner they would likely light up a cigarette—this became a sign to them: “He is not one of us.” The same is true of other lifestyle issues such as alcohol, involvement in politics etc. The reasons for the rejection of certain behaviors have fallen away, but the prohibitions persist as does the condemnation of those who practice the types of lifestyle prohibitions that were characteristic of American Fundamentalism several generations ago.

The Ukrainian church has also lost its outward vision. To them missions means planting a church in the next village down the road. Talk of supporting missions is met with resistance and anger: “We barely have enough resources to survive. We need help from the outside. We don’t have anything to spare.”

Thankfully, this attitude is starting to change. All of my students are “World Missions” majors. They want to go to foreign lands, China, Kazakhstan, or work with OM (Operation Mobilization) and other places.

It has been gratifying to see their involvement and response to issues as we are looking at the history of missions throughout the past two millennia.

Datetline Frankfurt:

Saturday February 27

Breakfast in Frankfurt: well, if you can call it breakfast. A turkey & Swiss sandwich on dark bread with tomato & lettuce. (Accompanied by a Coke Zero—I had already had a latte at the Kiev airport at 3:30 a.m. while I was waiting for my flight. The airport in Kiev is bureaucratic! I had two bags with me to check. At SFO I had planned to pay extra baggage but wasn’t charged J I asked whether I should be charged for the extra bag with the new regulations and the attendant who checked me in said that she was not going to charge me the fee. So when I checked in at Kiev I did expect to be charged—but rather than accept payment where luggage is checked I had to go back out past customs, pay for the extra bag and then come back in to get my boarding pass! Other than that—no problems.

This is a long day for me. By the clock its 34 hours. If you count the fact that I didn’t go to bed last night because I had to get up at 2:00 am. (I am a nightowl and whether at home or abroad I typically don’t go to sleep till after 1:00. The night before I had taken an Ambien because I was going out sightseeing on Friday and wanted to be rested—but to no avail. I still couldn’t get to sleep early.)

My class ended on Thursday afternoon. During dinner the students and I chatted about their experience. They were unanimous: “When will you be coming back?” “I never thought history was interesting before, but the way you teach it made it come alive!” “This class has given me a whole new perspective on the church and the way I understand Christianity!”

Yesterday it was out to see more of Kiev (the city is supposed to be quite lovely under all that snow!). My guide and I went to the Lavra—a many centuries old monastery that is still active near the center of the city. What is striking is that this monastery is huge, I would estimate that it covers more than 50 acres. Beside several impressive churches and chapelson the grounds, beneath, the ground it is honeycombed with caves which house the graves several Ukrainian saints as well as a number of Ukraninan notable individuals. There are chapels and shrines at every turn. The saints are buried in glass coffins and the faithful genuflect and kiss the coffins—while the official theology of Orthodoxy is that upon which we as western Christians build, the popular piety is baptized in superstition.

Back to the airport in Frankfurt. . . We boarded the plane on time and got settled. The captain said we would be leaving in just a few minutes. I dozed off for about 45 minutes and awakened to the captain’s voice again—in German of course. I turned to my seatmate who was German and asked why we were still on the ground. “In the last check before we took off the maintenance people found a small gash in the fuselage. They are now measuring to see if it is within tolerance for us to fly.” We waited another 40 minutes. The aircraft was not within specs to fly. Deplane. No planes available, but there was one arriving in a few minutes. We waited for the new plane to come in, be cleaned, fueled and checked (memories of four years ago flashed in my mind—on the first trip back from Bulgaria there was a similar problem, but then the only plane that was available had 100 fewer seats on it and we were among the 100 who were peeled off and sent on another flight to Washington D.C, then to LA and finally a day later we arrived home).

This time the plane was another 747 so no one was left to be rerouted. We got our same seats, settled in and left on the final leg of the journey. The good part was that despite the long delay (we were supposed to leave at 9:55 a.m. but didn’t leave until 1:30 p.m.), we were only 2 ½ hours late getting into SFO due to stiff tail winds. The bad part is that the 747s are very old aircraft with seats at least two inches narrower and also closer together. This made for a very cramped and uncomfortable ride compared to the AirBus that I flew in from San Francisco.

At 2:40 the wheels touched down at SFO. I pulled out my phone and called Kay—she was on the San Mateo Bridge. We taxied to the gate. I got my things and breezed through immigration, but then had to wait almost ½ hour for my luggage! Oh well, I was tired but I was home.

I am taking a couple of days to lay low and recoup. I have a seminar on forgiveness to do this coming Saturday night at Neighborhood Church in Chico, then it is back to work on another class for Eduplex and then off to Guam in about 6 weeks.

Every place I go to teach the experience is different. This time I was at a seminary with mostly American faculty many of whom graduated from Dallas & Talbot—that gave a common bond because we started out knowing many of the same people. I stayed on Campus. The facilities were definitely nicer than anywhere else I have stayed and taught. In fact the Seminary is in the process of building a spacious new facility that totals about 70,000 sq ft. Only about 1/3 of it is completed so far.

The students come from Ukraine, Russia and the former Soviet Republics. There is a strong sense of Ukrainian identity among the locals. Ukraine suffered terribly under Soviet leadership and over 12 million Ukranians perished in the artificial famines manufactured by Stalin to pacify Ukraine. The languages of Ukranian and Russian are spoken side by side but the Ukraine has stopped teaching Russian in school.

Ukraine (not The Ukraiune as it was known in Soviet times) is a country in-between. The Orange Revolution six years ago resulted in a western looking government that developed close ties with the US in recent years. So close were these ties that it agreed to host the missile shield designed to counter any possible Iranian threat but to which Russia angrily reacted. But the government has been beset with corruption to the point that the populace are now apathetic and while I was there elected as the new President the very man whose attempt to steal the election six years ago. Despite the relationship with the US Ukraine has been largely abandoned by Europe and has been bullied by Russia which has on more than one occasion cut off the natural gas supply to the country to force it into submission to its political domination. Yet another time Russia invaded Crimea, which is part of Ukraine and possess warm water seaports—something that Russia covets for the western part of its country.

While the situation is spiritually challenging, the young are rising to the challenge to take the gospel to the entire world. It is gratifying to be a part of their preparation for ministry

Reader Comments (14)

The author wrote: "This is a far cry from our Protestant form of worship. We want to focus on the spiritual as opposed to the material." I was somewhat surprised to read this comment insofar as the author has presented some very perceptive comments elsewhere contra Neo-Platonic dichotomization of the "spiritual" as distinct from the "material" in Protestantism. It is not so much that Orthodox focus on the spiritual as opposed to the spiritual, as they regard man as a psycho-somatic unity wherein worship involves the whole person in all dimensions: aesthetic, seeing, hearing, smelling, touching, tasting. Protestant "flight to the spiritual" is not so much wrong in affirming the "spiritual" as it is wrong in denying incarnational (matter + Spirit) rather than Docetic worship. The author's phrase "as opposed to the material" is the very definition of docetism, neoplatonism, and gnostic heresies; it is not characteristic of an incarnational faith in the God who made all things very good, intended man to tend a physical Garden. Orthodox ignore the spiritual?? Nonsense. "The whole aim of the Christian life is to be a Spirit-bearer, to live in the Spirit of God, to breath the Spirit of God" (Kallistos Ware, The Orthodox Way, p. 90). Jesus the Christ bridges the abyss between heaven and earth, between God and man, because he is both at once: "Heaven and earth are united today, for Christ is born!" "Glorify God with your body... I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God (1 Cor 6:19-20; Rom 12:1). "But in 'spiritualizing' the body, man does not thereby dematerialize it; on the contrary, it is the human vocation to manifest the spiritual in and through the material. Christians are in this sense the only true materialists" (ibid, p. 50).

"All that is to say the experience is magnificent, although I reject the underlying sacramentalism inherent in the system as well as the formalism that it can and often does breed—a formalism that takes refuge in the rite of the sacraments rather than actively cultivating a personal relationship with the our Trinitarian God." Horsefeathers ;-) To suggest Orthodox do not have a relationship with the Holy Trinity is nothing but Western arrogance. "Formalism" is certainly not contra "relationship" with the Persons of the Trinity per se unless the author presumes Moses had no "personal relationship" with the Holy Trinity because he practiced formal worship according to the pattern revealed to him by the personal God. Gentile worship according to the prophet Malachi, for example, would involve incense (Mal 1:11). Orthodoxy properly understood and practiced does not by any means teach that formalism alone will save/heal us: "There can be no perception of the world in God without radical repentance, without a continual change of mind" (Kallistos Ware, The Orthodox Way, p. 119). Orthodox unlike Roman Catholics do not limit the number of sacraments: "...we see all things, persons, and moments as signs and sacraments of God. In our spiritual vision we are not only to see each thing in sharp relief, standing out in all the brilliance of its specific being, but we are also to see each thing as transparent; in and through each created thing we are to discern the Creator" (ibid). Protestant reduction of grace to "spirituality" and Sundays is devolution rather than evolution of theology. BTW, I have read most of your material online; fabulous work, despite obvious reservations you at least have your finger firmly on many of the weaknesses of Evangelicism sola scriptura, canon, the indespensibility of the Spirit ala Torrance/Bloesch etc. Christ is born; glorify Him!

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"The saints are buried in glass coffins and the faithful genuflect and kiss the coffins—while the official theology of Orthodoxy is that upon which we as western Christians build, the popular piety is baptized in superstition." Orthodox would say your smug Western dismissal of ancient praxis is baptized in your own superstition. Does scripture not teach you holiness is transmitted by touch, and that matter may be a transfigured, holy and powerful thing? Exodus 29:37 "Seven days shalt thou purify the altar and sanctify it; and the altar shall be most holy, every one that touches the altar shall be hallowed." Exodus 30:27-29 "...you shall anoint the tent of meeting and the ark of the testimony, and the table and all its utensils, and the lampstand and its utensils, and the altar of incense, and the altar of burnt offering and all its utensils, and the laver and its stand. You shall also consecrate them, that they may be most holy; whatever touches them shall be holy." 2 Ki 13:21 Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man's body into Elisha's tomb. When the body touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet." Hebrews 12:20 For they could not bear the command, "If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned." Leviticus 6:27 Every one that touches the flesh of it shall be holy, and on whosesoever garment any of its blood shall have been sprinkled, whosoever shall have it sprinkled, shall be washed in the holy place. Acts 19:12 even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. Heb 6:2 You don't need further instruction about... the laying on of hands... Deut. 34:9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.

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